If you ever venture into the world of external mic preamps to compliment the ones built into your audio interface then you may be wondering what is the best way to hook it up. It is a common issue, but an important one to address. One of my readers on Twitter recently purchased an ART Tube MP on my blog’s recommendation for bass recording and had this question:
“I picked [the ART] up last night. Subtle but much more rich. For guitar I’ve been cranking the input into the red for a cool driven sound. One question…If you need more level into ProTools, do you increase the ART preamp output or the audio interface input?”
This is a great question. Let’s start at the beginning…
Mic Level To Line Level
When you plug a microphone into your audio interface’s input, you never have to really think much about whether it is a mic level or line level source. But in reality, microphone audio levels are very quiet, and the built in preamp in your interface is turning that signal up to what’s called a line level source, which is much more useable. If using an audio interface, that’s all you need to know. It turns your signal into a digital one and you’re golden.
However, if you start to use an external preamp, like the ART Tube MP mentioned above, then you need one extra step. You plug your microphone (using an XLR cable) into the external preamp’s mic input. Then using a balanced 1/4 inch cable (called a TRS cable) you run the output of that preamp into an available line input on your interface.
This is important. Your interface may have some microphone XLR inputs as well as some 1/4 inch TRS inputs for line level sources. Plug your preamp’s output into a line level input. Some interfaces have a combo connection that allows you to plug in XLR cables and TRS cables in the same input. If this is the case, you’ll likely have a switch that tells the interface that you want to use Mic or Line level on that input. Set this to Line. Keep in mind that Line inputs are different than Instrument inputs although both use a 1/4 connection.
Proper Gain Staging
Now that you have your preamp hooked up to your interface, the last thing we need to look at is your gain staging and signal flow. The gain knob on your interface controls the preamp on that interface. Since we are using an external preamp to bring the microphone signal up to line level we don’t need the gain on the interface.
If you have a line input with no gain knob associated with it, use that one. If not, follow this advice. Start by turning the interface gain knob all the way down. Then use the input (and sometimes output) knob(s) on your external mic pre to get the desired audio level into your DAW. If you need more gain into your software, adjust it on the preamp, not the interface as this would mean your signal is being boosted twice by two different preamps.
Remember, you don’t need really hot levels going into your DAW and you definitely don’t want unneeded noise. Avoid all of this by using conservative gain staging in your external preamp, and avoiding the extra gain from your interface’s pre when running a line in from an external.












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Wow, it’s like this entry was made just for me! LOL Thanks again, Graham.
Anytime my friend!
Great post as I just got an ART PAC Preamp and am learning how to use it. It has both XLR and 1/4″ outputs. Any reason to be using one vs the other? I thought that “balanced” cables only really mattered if the cable was long, I’m using 10-15′ cables.
Colin – Great question. For line level signals (like those coming out of your ART) use balanced cables. Either XLR to TRS or TRS to TRS.
Any advice on the 4 little buttons between the INPUT & OUTPUT knobs on the Art TUBE MP? Gain Norm, p-pwr out, phase reverse norm, OPL out. I’m just getting to know my pre-amp, not sure what’s up with these buttons and how they play into your gain staging techniques…
P-power is phantom power, it is what you need to use condenser microphones. Phase reverse flips the phase of the audio waves, OPL is the limiter function, gain norm might be a gain boost. Not sure.
“adjust it on the preamp, not the interface as this would mean your signal is being boosted twice by two different preamps.”
This has been on my mind for a while. Say, I hook up that ART — or for argument sake, a really expensive preamp like an API or Great River to the line in of my ADA8000 or Saffire. Irrespective of whether I turn up the gain on the Behringer / Focusrite, I’m still coloring (or some may say degrading) the sound coming out of the expensive preamp, right?
If so, would it mean that the more gain I use on the interface, the more coloration I’m subjecting the ‘good’ sound coming from the API to? I know that I might not be able to hear the difference.. but do you reckon a big-time engineer with trained ears, with high quality gear, would be able to hear the difference?
Ankur, you’re right in one sense that you are likely coloring the sound of your “great” preamp slightly by running through the Behringer or Focusrite’s analog circuitry, but ultimately they will act as A to D conversion, and that is where the sound is most affected.
Thanks, Graham.
So it would be would fair to say that it’s pretty silly to spend big money on mic pre’s if you’re using pro-sumer grade interfaces / converters? Coz in the end you’re hearing the sound of your interface / converter, rather than the sound of the expensive mic pre.. ??Hmmm.. Interesting.
Great Post…. I have an Electro Voice RE 20 connected to a Focusrite Saffire 6 USB with a XLR Cable then into my computer USB. I am using Adobe Audition, My record levels are low, I have to turn up the gain on the Saffire 6 to 8.5 – 9.
Would I bennefit from a preamp? Would a pre improve the qulaity of the recording as well as the gain?
Not necessarily. Low levels aren’t a bad thing really.
I know this has absolutely nothing to do with the topic but, i have a question. i couldn’t figure out where to Email you so i decided to ask here. I’m interested in getting your JumpStart Complete Bundle although I’m equally interested in the Pro Tools Boot camp. Now as a novice user in Pro Tools. Which video series would you personally recommend??
Angel – Both are crucial, but the Pro Tools Boot Camp will help you master the DAW so then when you learn the JumpStart stuff you can work faster in Pro Tools. Make sense?
Yes and thanks man u have been a true blessing in this area for me and many others..
Can you clarify for me though…
If the line level input on the interface (Presonus AudioBox 44VSL, for example) DOES have an input knob, won’t having it turned all the way down will result in no signal sent to the DAW? Seems like you have to have the interface input volume up a little…to get your signal through.
And furthermore, what’s the proper way to do this with:
1) an acoustic-electric guitar plugged into an hi-Z input. Where do I set my guitar volume knob vs. the interface level knob?
2) an electric keyboard plugged into a line level input. Where do I set the keyboard volume vs. the interface level knob?
Great, great, great site. Thanks for sharing your knowledge! Peace.
You shouldn’t have to. Many interfaces still send some gain with the knob all the way down. It just depends.
You mentioned that line inputs are different than Instrument inputs. Currently, I have the Presonus Audiobox 22VSL and was looking into external pres. However, there are no line level inputs which means I would have to upgrade or buy a new interface with those in order to use external pres, is that correct?
The AudioBox should have combo jacks that let you choose Line or Instrument level for the 1/4 inch connection.